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Post by Jaime Dugan on Jan 5, 2009 22:05:11 GMT -4
HELLO!
Congrats you three on making it to the end...I would have liked to see a different line up for the finale, but hey you have to work with what you got.
To be honest, I have NO idea who my vote is going to go....you all played different games, so my vote be based off all this great info that is spilling in at this finale tribal council.
Hopefully we will find a winner out of you three to join the ranks of winners this series ~ especially Season 2's Winner - Kimmi Kappenberg from Australian Outback - *cough cough* yep thats me, .
I thought I could do it again....but that "dark" and "gloomy" day happened when I...*cringe*...self-voted, crushing my dreams of winning again....*sigh*. Since when did computers need power now-a-days?
Erik and I thought we could make the finals again....Yes Erik was Nick from last season....hehe ;D. But ironically Frosti - who was Jeff from last season - screwed that up, I guess you got your revenge Frosti
I have TWO questions for ALL of you: (Dont worry Ill be a nice girl )
First Question: Sometimes you have regrets in this game or things you would have wanted to do differently....(for example: I should have freaking voted before I lost power....*sigh*.) So my question is.... If you did play this game all over again...What would you have done differenty? Any regrets? Said something you wanted to take back? Wasnt sure of a move you made strategicly? Give me something along those lines.....
Second Question: What was I - as in ME and only me - to you in this game?.... Was I a potential ally that you could see? Somebody who could help you out? Did you see me as a threat? Did I play an important role in your gameplay?...like did I inpact your gameplay in ANY way? Again, give me something along those lines..... I like stories.
GOOD LUCK YOU THREE! There is only one winner....
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Post by Frosti Zernow on Jan 5, 2009 22:12:19 GMT -4
Ashley, I have to admit I didn't like you early on in the game either - lol. Your comments rubbed me the wrong way. As time went on, I began to have a lot more respect for you - you were obviously a player and you clearly had people on your side, so I knew my plan to get you early wasn't going to work. You impressed me post-merge. I thought you would be gone early and you lasted a long time.
As for the plan with Jaime, Erik and you, there were three reasons I didn't go that way - 1) I didn't trust you at all because I figured you could see through me and knew I wasn't a big fan of yours 2) I didn't know Jaime very well 3) I was certain Erik was closer to you ladies than he was to me. So I was sure I would be out in 4th place. I needed to find someone who needed me as much as or more than I needed them. That person was JR.
Thanks for the questions, Ashley.
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Post by Frosti Zernow on Jan 5, 2009 22:20:09 GMT -4
Hi Erik. You were someone I really didn't want to betray, but I did it and I explained why in my answer to Ashley. The problem, Erik, was I didn't trust the people you were aligned with, particularly Ashley. I was sure I was going to be 4th place. As for why I would trade 4th place for 5th place, I didn't see it that way at all. Chicken and PG said we were final three and that JR and Courtney were pawns. And I knew I had JR as my ally if I wanted to change things up. So I was in a much better position as part of that five person alliance than I was in the four person alliance with you. Apparently, you were Nick in last season according to Jaime! Had I known you two were Nick and Kimmi, things would have been very different! I wish I had known. And thanks for the compliment about being the number one backstabber.
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Post by Peih-Gee Law on Jan 5, 2009 22:21:19 GMT -4
Ashley:
Sorry! I didn't see that part of your question. To be honest, I don't see why every one disliked you in the beginning or whatever. I thought we had gotten along pretty much this whole game.
The truth is, Ashley, people wanted you gone because you were a fierce competitor and a HUGE threat in the finals. You played a good social game, and a terrific physical one. Every one was freaking scared to go up against you in the finals.
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Post by Erik Huffman on Jan 5, 2009 22:23:47 GMT -4
Ah. Understandable Frosti. ;]
Yeah. Things could have been different. Haha. ;]
Thanks man. =]
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Post by Jaime Dugan on Jan 5, 2009 22:26:15 GMT -4
I knew that you were Jeff from last season.... I had a feeling since you asked me if I was going to sign-up....but I didnt want to risk exposing me and Erik if my hunch was wrong. :/
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Post by Frosti Zernow on Jan 5, 2009 22:35:12 GMT -4
Hi Chicken.
I don't really anything bad to say about either PG or JR (too bad my name doesn't shorten to initials!). They are both great players. I will say that, in addition to what JR said about PG 's end game, you really kept her in the game after the big betrayal. JR and I were both ready to vote her out and we didn't because you argued for her so persuasively. If it weren't for you, she'd have been gone then. So she owes her spot at the end in big part to you and not her gameplay.
As for JR, the only reason he might not deserve your vote is that he might not be sitting there if it weren't for me. As you can tell from Erik and Ashley's comments, I was going to make the final four if I stuck with them. JR would not have. I fought to keep him in because he was a great shield for me. If you remember, I nearly went home in those early votes. I wanted JR around because everyone wanted to get him out instead of me so if anything bad happened to my alliance, he'd be the first one to go and I'd have another round to strategize. That's almost what happened with the women's alliance uprising. If they'd succeeded, I'd still be here and able to work to make a deal. He was a weapon in my arsenal and that's one of the main reasons he made it to the end. Ask yourself: who are you going to vote for: the sword or the man who wielded the sword?
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Post by Peih-Gee Law on Jan 5, 2009 22:36:45 GMT -4
Chicken:
This isn't part of your question, but I have to clear this up before I answer your question. If this causes me to lose your vote, so be it. I'd rather make sure that you don't have sour feelings towards me than gain your vote at an online game.
Chicken, you were the person I trusted most in this game. Day 1, I truly did believe you when you said you wanted to go to the finals with me. And you know what, I meant it when I said it right back.
When I told you something strategically, you never used it against me. I also did the same thing. The truth is, you were the person I should've stuck with until the end...but then the final 7 hit.
To be quite honest, when it was getting later into the game, you seemed to get more excited...and more cocky. Not like really cocky, but just something I could feel that was different. Whenever you brought up the fact of going to the final 2 with me, I started to suspect you wanted to take me because you thought you could beat me and use the "Peih-Gee rode my coat-tails" speech at the finale. It is hard to trust people in these games.
And then I thought of us in the finals together, and realized that I'd most likely lose. I thought that you'd beat me because people haven't seen the conversations and schemes that we constantly were thinking up together. I don't know...I was just paranoid.
But to get to the point, I didn't at all intend to USE you at all during this game! I did look at you as a close ally, and I'm not telling you this to schmooze up to you to get your vote. Heck, if I didn't play the best game in your eyes, don't vote for me.
Also, please don't let the above message affect your vote at all. Base it on gameplay--not friendship.
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Now to your question...
Why do the other two not deserve it as much as I do?
Jean-Robert-He said he deserves it more because I was out of the loop the last two rounds of the game. I find that funny since I pretty much was in with the controlling group for the rest of the game. And even if I didn't vote for the person that has been voted off in the last two rounds, I still managed to make it to this point. Jean-Robert, I feel is a little bit of an over-rated player. If anything, I think he may have rode Frosti's coat-tails quite a bit. I think he got his information from Frosti, and relied on Frosti talking to both of us to figure out who to vote and etc. The only reason he made it as far as he did was because the rest of us were dumb enough to think he had the hidden immunity idol. That wasn't something that he did to get farther in the game, as he admitted in an earlier statement. That was just an assumption some of us just randomly came up with. There was much talk of voting him out, and none of that didn't follow through because of himself talking him out of it, but because of his "hidden immunity idol".
Frosti- I think Frosti was kinda all over the place. I don't think Frosti even had a concrete plan to make it to the end like I did. The only ally he truly made was Jean-Robert, and that was the only person he could trust. He also admitted that in an earlier statement. I think that is a lack of poor social skills. I think I did better than that. I had you (and Jaime and Erik to lean on) in the first half of the game. And I had you and Courtney that had my back at the merge. I think having one main ally isn't a very good strategy, even if you both do manage to make it to the end.
No one ever believed I had the immunity idol, so I didn't get there from that. I didn't get here from relying on a single person. I got here from talking to as many people as I could, and trying to figure out if I could maneuver myself farther in the game. Chicken, you of all people should know how strategically my head was in this game, since you saw all the little schemes we were constantly coming up with, but never really followed through on.
I think I played a smarter, and more social game than the other two sitting next to me in the final 3.
I hope that answers your question.
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Post by dave on Jan 5, 2009 22:42:38 GMT -4
Hey guys congrats to all you for making to the final 3!
I would like to stick off with Frosti out of all the people here I think its fair to say that u fliped floped so many times that I don't know where to start. You really pissed allot people off espicaly in the begining of the game. So I want to know who were your allies in the begining of the game and did you believe that you stayed loyal to them? Also do you believe that PG and JR are worthy of final 3 spots? If not who should be in final 3 with you
Sherea Sherea Sherea whoops my bad I mean PG PG PG. I am still not 100% convinced that you were not Sherea also there are just to many condeinces however I can't prove so I will move on from that.. If you were not Sherea like you clam then you PG played a really good game. I have to give you credit for that. I want to know who in this game did you backstab and explain why you did it? Also Do you believe Frosti and JR are Worthy of Final 3 spots? If not who do you believe the final 3 should be?
Now for JR your a great alley of mine. I have to give u all the credit in the world for making to the final 3. I want to know from you after your last alley pre merge left being me. What was your stargery and who did you allign with Same question do you believe PG and Frosti deserve final 3 spots? If not who should be in finals with you?
As for my final question for all of you tell me Why everyone in the Jury doesn't deserve to be in final 3?
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Post by Peih-Gee Law on Jan 5, 2009 22:44:35 GMT -4
Jaime:First Question: I honestly don't have many regrests...since I still made it to the end. However, there are still a few things I think I should see myself doing different. That most revolved around the final 5 tribal council. I really think I should've discussed the vote with Courtney more than I had. I did sense something a little different about that tribal council, however, I ignored it. I think if I had persuaded her more about how it would've been better to stick with myself and you because even if the hidden immunity was used, she's still be safe anyway, I think that may have changed the tide a little bit. Also, I said some not-so-great things to Frosti after he had not followed through with his final 4 vote that he told me he would that I wish I could take back. Second Question:Obviously you meant a lot to me in this game. In the beginning, you were an ally and a friend that I could talk to. Then of course at the final four, you were once again an ally and someone who could possibly help me out in this game. And I also did see you as a threat in the game because you were an amazing social-player, and I really think you could've swung over the jury easily if you were sitting here in the final 3. So, really, you played a lot of different roles in my game...pretty much all of the roles you listed above. Lol. I hope you're satisfied with those answers. If there is anything else, let me know.
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Post by Jaime Dugan on Jan 5, 2009 22:53:44 GMT -4
OOOOO yeah! I forgot to add something just for you PG... I just remembered something.
If I had made it in time to vote...and JR left instead of me. The final six would have been you, me, Ashley, Courntey, JR, and Chicken.
My question - Who would you have taken or pushed to go to the final 3 with you if I was in the equation?
Sorry I wanted to know what you would have done in that situation. Just curious.
And besides Erik <3...PG I trusted you alot (in my own weird way, even though I knew you were with Chicken) and really beleived you when you said you were NOT Sherea, or alteast I hoped since I really got along well with you in the game.
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Post by Peih-Gee Law on Jan 5, 2009 22:59:40 GMT -4
Dave:I want to know who in this game did you backstab and explain why you did it? Also Do you believe Frosti and JR are Worthy of Final 3 spots? If not who do you believe the final 3 should be?Lol, Dave, you're a character to say the least. I will once again say I only played one person in this game. Okay, now for your questions. I believe that any one who gets this far must've done something right. However, I do believe that there are people that were voted out that had played stronger games. I really think Jean-Robert relied completely on Frosti, and I really think Frosti relied a lot on me and Chicken to get here. Frosti did make his moves, I must admit. Final 5, good job. However, I think his social game wasn't as strong as others. The most worthy final 3 would be: Jaime, Erik, and Chicken. Jaime played the strongest social game. Erik and Chicken were both strong social threats and challenge threats. If they were in the final 3, I think every one would be stumped on who to vote for! Now for every one I backstabbed. You!- Prior to the tribal council you were voted out, I did tell you that I was voting with you. That of course ended up not being true. Unfortunately, it wasn't best for my game to keep you around since you betrayed the original Zhan Hu's so early. Ashley- After the female alliance crumbled because of Jaime's self-vote, I completely left Ashley behind in the dust and fended for myself. I didn't try to help her make it farther in the game, and I definitely didn't stick with whatever alliance I promised her. Erik- Obviously, I was originally was alligned with Erik. Voting him out did involve backstabbing him obviously. However, he was too good of a player to let roll by! Frosti- When I voted for him in the final 5, it broke the promise to the final 3 myself and Chicken had made him. Jaime-When I voted Erik out, Jaime was left uninformed. So, technically, that would mean I backstabbed her too. Jean-Robert-When I tried to make the women's alliance, that was going back on the word I made him for the final 5. and last but definitely not least.... Chicken-My biggest ally in this game, and I tried to make the women's alliance. Definitely a hard decision and one that almost cost me the game when it didn't work out. This is the one I feel worst about! Well, Dave, you had me listing half the cast as people I backstabbed...made me realize I didn't play the game as honestly as I intended...but I guess it's survivor... Now, why every one on the jury doesn't deserve a final 3 spot. I'm sorry I have to do this, but it is the question...I know people don't like for their strategy to be critiqued, but I gotta do it. Dave-You backstabbed the Zhan Hu alliance too early, which is what caused your downfall. Todd-He stuck too close to Jean-Robert, which eventually made even him a target! Leslie-She didn't play that great of a social game. She didn't even realize when she was voted out. Lol. That was definitely a funny moment. Erik-He put himself out there as a visible threat too early on. Also, he probably made too many deals that eventually backfired on him. Jaime-She late-voted. Ashley-She let herself seem like too big of a strategical mastermind too early.. This eventually caught up to her. Chicken-To be honest, he played the game too hard. People saw that and didn't want to let him into the final 3. He was a threat. Simple as that. Courtney-She sometimes listened too much with what every one else wanted her to do instead of thinking of moves she can make by herself. Whew. Good question, Dave. I hope I answered it all. Now my fingers hurt. lol
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Post by Jean-Robert Bellande on Jan 5, 2009 23:02:55 GMT -4
Thanks for the congrats, Jaime/Kimmi! ;D As for your questions...
Question 1: I have a couple of regrets. First, I do feel that I came on too strong in some of the challenges early on, which made me a target for the rest of the game (which you can see from the ridiculous number of votes I've had against me!). My most major regret, though, involves the Tribal Council where you self-voted. Obviously I was at risk that time around, and I wish that I could have taken the time to try and think of a way out of that situation before it came to pass. At that point, I think I was too comfortable in thinking that the alliance of myself, Frosti, Chicken, PG and Courtney would cruise into the Final Five. Aside from those things, I don't think I really regret anything else. I always tried to treat people with respect and not say anything too bad, because I was always very aware that this is a game and that everything should be taken in stride.
Question 2: This is a really interesting question to me, because you were one of the people in the game that I was never aligned with. My first impression of you was that you were really, really nice... I remember that after one of the switches, we swapped PMs and I came away thinking that you could probably be trusted. In a different situation, I could definitely have seen you and I becoming allies, but the way the game played out it just wasn't possible. I said during the Rites of Passage that you were definitely a threat to win the game, because I don't think anyone had anything bad to say about you. In that respect, I was glad when you were voted out, but it was only because I thought you seemed like a great person from what little contact we had, and that's the truth.
I hope that covers everything! All hail the Queen of the Outback... haha. ;D
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Post by Peih-Gee Law on Jan 5, 2009 23:04:08 GMT -4
My question - Who would you have taken or pushed to go to the final 3 with you if I was in the equation?Well, assuming that I still would've won the final challenge, I would've definitely pushed for Courtney to go to the finals. I promised her I'd try to take her as far as I could, and that I wouldn't vote for her. Between you and Ashley, this is gonna sound like schmooze but it totally isn't, but I probably would've wanted to take you to the end. Even though you were a huge social threat, I saw Ashley as a huge manipulator and strategical mastermind, and I thought she might leave us in the dust in the final 3. Also, I had better conversations with you that weren't 100% about strategy all the time. Even though that doesn't have much to do with the game, it still had a lot to do with the way I voted in this game, and I normally tried to keep the people I liked more in the game longer. Which is why I pushed for the vote to go towards Jean-Robert when we made the female alliance instead of voting off Chicken, even though you saw him as a bigger threat. To be honest, I wanted to save him for last so I wouldn't have to vote for him and you guys would still have the numbers. Honestly, this game would've been a HECK of a lot different if that female alliance would've worked out. If there is anything else you'd like to ask, let me know.
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Post by Steve "Chicken" Morris on Jan 5, 2009 23:05:29 GMT -4
Thank you for all your answers to my question. PG> I'd just like to point out something you said. You said you did mean it when you said "I don't care if you win Chicken". So what happened? That's just what I'm trying to get at. I know you lied, I know it's a part of the game, I'm not condoning you for it. I'd just like to say I wouldn't have done it to you. You would've won easily. Courtney, Frosti, Jaime, Ashley would have definitely thrown a vote your way if they were in the jury. I just thought that you would never do that to me. I just thought that that's where our friendship was at. But I was wrong. It's okay, alright? You don't have to defend yourself it's not a bad thing. I do believe I have made up my mind. Again congrats final 3...and YAY it's finally coming to an end!! It's been great playing with all of you.
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